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okay, the following links are the first rape discussion
part 1
part 2
and the
rape declaration forum, date: 04.28.05

my opinion of what has been going on in regards this effort may be inferred by understanding that the sentiments expressed here approximate my conceptual view or what men should struggle for as Man; and all too often don't.
yeah well, i'm getting too used to the idea that most people regard a good Man as an unachievable Myth, and crawling, slithering beasts as Man's Nature and worse; ultimate potential.
urrghh...... more later, don